Talk:Nissan Skyline

2007-02-12T11:21:38Z

202.89.175.196:

This article is written terribly. It sounds like something some drunk guy would insist on reciting to you at a bar just because you mentioned you like imports.

== I'd like to add..... ==

Also, Growing up in a Motorsport family in Australia, and Being involved in drift racing in Australia for the past four years, I have never once heard a Skyline of Any sort Reffered to as Godzilla. That claim in the article, I can confidently say, is an utter lie.

===HorningGuru===
Thank you for your comments in this discussion section. I'm glad that you could add some personal experience from the Motorsport community and clarify the nickname for the Skyline. I would encourage you to incorportate any additional information you have about the Skyline into the actual article and if you know information is incorrect feel free to change it for the benefit of our wikicars community. It would also be helpful to others if you included your signature when commenting so that others know who you are. --[[User:MQuan|MQuan]] 20:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, if you can improve the article(which is indeed poorly written) in any way, feel free to do so. [[User:0-172|0-172]] 3:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Oh yes it was called Godzilla===
Well you confidence in the matter is misplaced. Just because you never heard it, doesn't mean it wasn't happening. The R32 was often referred to as Godzilla when it was racing in touring cars back in 1990. It was called Godzilla by the commentators of the Telecasts of the touring car races at the time. I remember it. As I recall the name came from the car being referred to as a monster from Japan, which led to it being nick-named Godzilla.

Its also in motoring media. If you pick up a copy of Wheels November 1990 Theres a story about the Skyline GT-R (R32) and its called "GODZILLA'S DAY OUT" (page 121). So you are utterly mistaken.

That aside, this article is really bad. Its so wrong. The first Nissan Skyline GT-R was made in 1969!! not 1989. It was the C10 model, the next GT-R was the C110, both powered by the S20. After the C110 GT-R the GT-R badge was rested until the R32 GT-R.

This article needs to be deleted and re written from scratch by someone that actually knows anything about skylines, and not just the modern cars. Its worse that the wikipedia article, at least thats 90% correct.

Albrecht Goertz

2007-02-11T10:44:17Z

202.89.175.196: Corrected some incorrect statments about goertz's involvment with Nissan

'''Albrecht Graf Goertz''' (en: '''Count Albrecht von Goertz''') in German (born January 12, 1914 died October 27, 2006) designed cars for [[BMW]] including the [[BMW 503]] and [[BMW 507]], both for 1955. He also worked for [[Porsche]], [[Nissan]] and [[Toyota]].

He was the second son to an aristocratic family in Germany from Brunkensen in Lower Saxony.
After attending school, Goertz was started an apprenticeship to Deutsche Bank and then to a London-based private bank, but his prospects were not good, so in 1936 he emigrated to the United States of America. He eventually moved to Los Angeles and worked at a car wash and in a factory making aircraft engines. In 1938 Goertz rented a garage and showroom and modified [[Ford Motor Company|Ford]] Model A and B models. On a [[Mercury|Mercury]] chassis, he built a two-door coupe called the "Paragon". This was exhibited at the World Exhibition in San Francisco in 1939.

Goertz then served in the US Army for five years. After leaving the Army he drove the Paragon to New York and while driving it he accidentally encountered [[Raymond Loewy]], the famous car designer. Loewy invited Goertz to his office, sent him to college to learn about design and later gave him a job in the [[Studebaker]] studio in Indiana.

Goertz in 1953 set up his own design business and got to know Max Hoffmann, BMW's main importer in America. Hoffmann knew of BMW's plans to build a sports car and suggested that Goertz should contact BMW in Munich. Goertz then designed both [[BMW 507]] and also the [[BMW 503]]. He was also famously linked to both the [[Toyota 2000GT]] and the [[Datsun 240Z]] as he carried out consultation work for a two seater sports car project for both companies via [[Yamaha Motor Company|Yamaha]], initially for [[Nissan]] (which exported cars under the brand name Datsun). When Nissan abandoned the project, Yamaha took the project to Toyota which with further work evolved into the Toyota 2000GT.

Goertz's involment with Nissan ended in 1965. Later Nissan revived their sports car project which became the [[Datsun 240Z|240Z]] of which Goertz had no further involvement.

People mistakenly believe Goertz was the man who designed both the 2000GT and the 240Z cars because it has been widly reported in the press as fact. [[Car and Driver]] magazine incorrectly calls Dr. Goertz the "Father of the Z Car".

The issue came to a head in the 1980's and Nissan released this statement about Mr Goertz's involvment with Nissan:

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Dear Mr. Goertz:

At your request, we have examined the relevant evidence pertaining to the development of the highly successful Datsun 240Z which was first introduced in 1969.

You were retained by Nissan during the period from 1963 to 1965 as an automotive design consultant. During that period, you consulted with Nissan on the basic methods of styling a general sports car. You were also the sole design consultant on a two-liter sports car which Nissan was trying to develop as part of a joint venture with Yamaha. This car was not produced.

While it is our view that the design of the 240Z was the product of Nissan's design staff, Nissan agrees that the personnel who designed that automobile were influenced by your fine work for Nissan and had the benefit of your designs

Sincerely yours,

NISSAN MOTOR CO., LTD.

Signed Toshikuni Nyui

General Manager

Legal Dept.

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==Notes==

==External link==
* [http://www.bmwworld.com/models/vintage/albrecht_von_goertz.htm BMW World: Albrecht von Goertz]

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