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Red marquis: /* I also have an idea... */

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I also have an idea...

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	:This is a great idea, but I think that a lot of thought and discussion should go into it before it actually gets put into practice. "How to's" for automobiles tend to be very specific to each model for one, so it will be important to start with the most basic maintenance pages and then go from there. In addition, a concern I'd have is that I've seen far too many times, on lots of websites and mainly forums, flame wars start because people's ideas of "how to" differ so greatly. How often to change your oil; what kind of oil to use; personal experience vs. dealership recommendation; how to break in new brake pads; etc. all tend to be really "debatable" topics. Therefore, I just think we need to decide how we are going to go about this and regulate different opinions so the pages are able to offer consistent information. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)		:This is a great idea, but I think that a lot of thought and discussion should go into it before it actually gets put into practice. "How to's" for automobiles tend to be very specific to each model for one, so it will be important to start with the most basic maintenance pages and then go from there. In addition, a concern I'd have is that I've seen far too many times, on lots of websites and mainly forums, flame wars start because people's ideas of "how to" differ so greatly. How often to change your oil; what kind of oil to use; personal experience vs. dealership recommendation; how to break in new brake pads; etc. all tend to be really "debatable" topics. Therefore, I just think we need to decide how we are going to go about this and regulate different opinions so the pages are able to offer consistent information. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
	::Those are all great points. Is there anything in the realm of general "How-To"s that is pretty safe to tackle and free of debate? Changing a tire, perhaps, or how to jump-start a car? I think if we start small with something along those lines, we can start to expand from there. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 19:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)		::Those are all great points. Is there anything in the realm of general "How-To"s that is pretty safe to tackle and free of debate? Changing a tire, perhaps, or how to jump-start a car? I think if we start small with something along those lines, we can start to expand from there. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 19:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

			==Scope==
			Maybe this has been determined before.... what is included as a "car"? Trucks? Pickups? SUVs? "Crossovers"? Station wagon/shooting brake/estates? Three wheeler cars? "Cyclo cars" (with motors)? "Cycle cars" (pedal powered)? Motorcycles? ATVs? Military vehicles? Tractors? Competition pulling tractors? [http://www.swampbuggy.com/history.htm Swamp buggy racers]? [http://news.com.com/2100-1008_3-5053627.html Robot cars]? Go karts? [[User:Gzuckier\|Gzuckier]] 15:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
			:Well, according to the main page Wikicars is "A collaborative guide about cars and all things [[Automobile\|automotive]]." When you click on "[[Automobile\|automotive]]" you find a definition of what that defines. However, beyond that I'd say that most of the things that you mentioned are fine except motorcycles and perhaps ATVs. There hasn't been any hard set rule of thumb, just common sense and accepting articles on any automobiles that people are passionate about. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 16:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
			::We are an automotive site, therefore we should have articles only on cars (Really anything that has four-wheels, that can be driven on a road). Not ATVs or Motorcycles. A Motorcycle is completely opposite a car, and an ATV, well, I don't know what to say about those, but they are definitely not anything automotive. Now, Military Vehicles, that would be a difficult category to fit into Wikicars. If we did start including Military vehicles, that would be a very tight category, I don't think we should start building articles about tanks on a sit about '''Cars'''. As for my opinion on Tractors, I don't hold them very high when thinking of anything automotive. They should be fine, but to me, they just wouldn't fit into an '''Automotive''' website. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 14:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
			:::Some of the lines are pretty gray, though. Like Nastruck. Aside from the sheet metal, that's got the same relationship to "car" as nascar, obviously. But does that then allow like I said, swamp buggy racers? They're as much "car" as an F1 racer. And competition pulling trucks.. which leads to pulling tractors... And again, three wheelers, from Spirit of America to Morgans. (PS I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt, or be argumentative, I just really believe this is going to be an issue at some point, and we should get a heads up in thinking it over.) [[User:Gzuckier\|Gzuckier]] 13:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)





			==New Quick-links==
			If you haven't noticed them already, I wanted to introduce you to the new quick-links on the left hand side of the page underneath the toolbox. They are a great new tool for us to use to publicize wikicars and to get the word out about the work we're all doing here. By clicking on one of the quick-links you will be re-directed to the individual social bookmarking site. There you will be able to bookmark the wikicars page you just came from and add it to the bookmark database. This will allow people to find that particular page when they search for pages regarding the topics they desire. This will be a great tool that will allow all our hard work to get more exposure and to be more accessible. So check out the quick-links and sign up for the sites to begin bookmarking. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 22:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

			The quick-links provide access to:
			*Earthlink myFavorites
			*Google bookmarks
			*Del.icio.us
			*Yahoo bookmarks
			*Yahoo My Web
			*Digg
			*Reddit
			*Furl

			==Image Categorisation==
			I am about to undertake the massive task of image categorisation. Any helpers? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

			What does this entail? I'd be willing to lend a hand. [[User:Delays\|delays]] 06:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

			:This entails taking a large amount of time to tag images under yet-to-be-determined categories. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

			Put me down for this - I'll help. Let me know what to do when the time comes. [[User:Delays\|delays]] 06:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
			:I'll try to help out where/when I can. Thanks, [[User:0-172\|Enzo]]. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 02:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

			==Site-wide Collaboration==
			Some progress has to be made in the area of image categorisation. Thus far, the only people to make any headway is this daunting task are [[User:Delays\|Delays]] and myself. I find this lack of participation, frankly, horrifying. We really need to get the site organized, and it seems to me, nobody cares enough to do anything. Therefore, I am pleading for a site-wide collaboration in an attempt to finally get some progress in this task. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			:I have several other tasks here at wikicars but I will try to contribute as best I can. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 01:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Welcoming new users */

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Welcoming new users

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	When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)		When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
	:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)		:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

			==I have an idea...==
			How about we have an "engines" section, with info pages for various engines, such as the Chrysler 426 Hemi, Chevy 454, Ford 390 and such? I'd be happy to head up such a section, and I could compose one as an example and get everyone's opinion. What say you all? - [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 21:17 27 March 2007
			:I love this idea!! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 01:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			Yea, sounds like a good idea. -[[User:Mugen Power\|Mugen Power]] 01:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::Me too. I'll add it to the [[Wikicars' experts\|expert's section]], as well. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 12:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			:I have no expertise in this area, so I can't be of any help with it, but I think it's a great idea. Go for it, Yankee. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 14:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::I'm no expert either, but many auto communities are organized around engines rather than the brand names that oems slap on the "wrappers". This is a really good idea. :-) [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 15:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			:I'm in for it. Most of the car pages on wikipedia have links to pages for specific engines, and it would really help to add some of those here.
			[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 14:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::I have no expertise, but great idea! [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 22:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::: Go ahead. --[[Usuario:193.144.127.250\|193.144.127.250]] 03:10 29 Mar 2007 (UTC)
			Excellent! I'll give one a try and see how you all like it - probably start next week, got too much on my plate at the moment to start anything big, but I'm glad you all approve. [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 23:37 28 March 2007 (UTC)

			OK, here's a sample, on the Chevy [[454]]. Whaddya think? Too much? Too little? Just right? [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 09:25 3 April 2007 (UTC)
			:Wow, that's a very comprehensive review. I only have a few suggestions: maybe change the title to something like "454 engine" or "454 V-8" that allows users at a glance to understand what the page is about. Also, perhaps breaking the history of the engine into yearly divisions, hp changes, etc. in some way similar to the car model pages. A modified infobox would also be really helpful including things at a glance like HP, weight, torque, cars that use it, years of production, etc. Finally, just some slick pictures! Great job Yankee, it'll be exciting to see this develop! -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 15:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			::454 is too vague, a title change is in order. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I agree with both statements above; the name could be a little more specific, and I think Matt's suggestions are great. People are, by nature, fickle and demanding, so it would help to spice up the page a bit either with some graphics or an infobox - something to break up all the text. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 16:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			:::Not an expert on [[engine]]s, so this was definitely a very informative page for me! But I agree with the suggestions made above. We definitely need to break up the data somehow, whether is be by a chronological breakdown, a feature breakdown ([[HP]], [[Torque]], etc.) or just a plethora of "slick pix." Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 17:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			Good suggestions all - this was something I threw together rather quickly to get a feel of how it would be received. This will be a work in progress - I'm still trying to do at least 2-3 car writeups a week, so this will be a bit of a "side project" for now. Perhaps if Red Marquis could make a modified infobox that could be used, or some kind of table that could be used for data - I'm open to suggestions. Thanks again all :-) [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 18:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)



			==I also have an idea...==
			First of all, I'd like to say hi, I love the concept and potential of this site and was looking into starting something similar until I found this. I know this kind of goes beyond the bounds of what a wiki is, but what about a "how-to" section for common maintenance tasks required on all vehicles. For example, an article on oil changes that includes information on why its important to change/check your oil, regular vs. synthetic, and general how-to on changing oil. Other articles that quickly come to mind are sections for tire maintenance (wear, checking pressure), checking/topping-off/changing radiator fluid, etc. I don't know if that's something you guys would be interested in doing on a wiki site but I think it would be nice to have this information available to those who might find it useful. [[User:GearHead\|GearHead]] 18:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			:Interesting idea. I don't know whether I am for or against it. It would be good to supply everyday information and instructions ike that, What do the rest of you guys think? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I'm for it, [[User:GearHead\|GearHead]], as long as we could relate it back to the end user in an applicable manner. We started a [[Car Buying Tips]] section, with articles like:
			:::* [[Negotiate for a lower car price]]
			:::* [[Buy a car on the internet]]
			:::* [[Car Loan Guide]]

			::I'd love to see more "how-to"/maintenance type articles, someday. There's so much more we could do with a section like that. We could even have tips by make and model at some point! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 20:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I think it's a great idea, as there are always people looking for that kind of information on the internet. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 20:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			:::I like it too! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
			:This is a great idea, but I think that a lot of thought and discussion should go into it before it actually gets put into practice. "How to's" for automobiles tend to be very specific to each model for one, so it will be important to start with the most basic maintenance pages and then go from there. In addition, a concern I'd have is that I've seen far too many times, on lots of websites and mainly forums, flame wars start because people's ideas of "how to" differ so greatly. How often to change your oil; what kind of oil to use; personal experience vs. dealership recommendation; how to break in new brake pads; etc. all tend to be really "debatable" topics. Therefore, I just think we need to decide how we are going to go about this and regulate different opinions so the pages are able to offer consistent information. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
			::Those are all great points. Is there anything in the realm of general "How-To"s that is pretty safe to tackle and free of debate? Changing a tire, perhaps, or how to jump-start a car? I think if we start small with something along those lines, we can start to expand from there. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 19:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Mugen Power */

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Mugen Power

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	::::Mugen Power has shown excellence. He has reported vandals that have snuck past me under my RC patrols (I can't belive I missed those dirtbags!). He has also shown massive effort. So I say in my highest regard that he is deserving of joining our ranks. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)		::::Mugen Power has shown excellence. He has reported vandals that have snuck past me under my RC patrols (I can't belive I missed those dirtbags!). He has also shown massive effort. So I say in my highest regard that he is deserving of joining our ranks. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

			==Home Page==
			How about if we shrink the hybrid cars spotlight on the home page by removing the driving tips section; this would move the contributor section above the fold. Thoughts? Someone want to mock it up to see what it looks like? (Maybe keep the prius photo which is interesting?) [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 13:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
			:I think this is a good idea, because, at least on the resolution I'm running on my monitor right now (as well as the computer I have at home), when I first load the page, all I see is the Hybrid cars spotlight, which has remained static for as long as I can remember. If we can move some of the rotating content further up the page, I think it would help retain more interest in people who might casually check back to see if anything has changed. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 22:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
			::The hybrid cars spotlight does take up a lot of space and isn't as dynamic as some of the sections below it. Removing the driving tips section is a good idea to decrease the size of the section and I'd even consider putting it below the featured user/model/review sections. This will allow the initial homepage screen you see when visiting the site to be more eye catching as it changes often. However, I do like how upon initially loading the page there is a constant blue theme. Therefore, if the other sections are moved up and the hybrid section moved down, the banner color should be changed to match the blue theme for whatever section we choose to replace the hybrid one. --[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 01:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
			:::I agree, Matt. I'm going to change the homepage so that the featured articles show up on top and the portal underneath of that. I'm also cutting out the hybrid driving tips section. I think we can even higlight other portals in this section. We've made tremendous progress with our exotics and I'd love to highlight some of those cars and articles in that portal section. I think the portals can be one of those dymanic sections, too. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 18:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

			We should trim down the text for "Garage Talk" on the Home Page. At least in my computer it deforms the section for "Search By Make"

			[[User:Red_marquis\|Red_marquis]] 11:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

			:The new main page changes are looking good. Bringing the more commonly used features of wikicars to catch the user's eyes when they check the page is great. - [[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 01:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

			::Looks great!! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 03:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
			==Tagline==
			Has anyone ever considered a tagline for the site? Here's a link to the would be page [[MediaWiki:Tagline]]. A tagline is a line of text located in the upper left hand corner of the box. One example: ''Wikicars, a place to share your automotive knowledge''. To warn you, I will be testing this idea, so don't be alarmed to find text where you wouldn't normally find text. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] 15:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)



			==Trying something new==
			<font color="red">I think '''Garage Talk''' would be more functional if it was broken down by segments, e.g. Bulletin boards, To-do lists, collaborations, etc. </font> I started to create more of a bulletin board-type template '''[[Garage Talk/testing\|here]]'''. Feel free to add/delete to it as it is still a work in progress. Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 22:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

			I like this new idea. it might take some getting used to but i like it.

			[[User:Red_marquis\|Red_marquis]] 10:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
			:I like it too....but strongly feel there should be a single portal page...we can break segments off, but keep links to subsegments on the portal page for easy navigation. [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 04:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
			==Archival==
			Hey, I was thinking, this page is getting aweful lengthy. How about we archive some of the past or finished conversations. Once in archival, though, we should make a rule of not editing archived content. What do you guys think? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
			:Looks nice!

			:fine with me. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 22:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

			::me too. We could keep the featured _____ links at the top. [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 03:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

			:How would it be if we decided to archive things on a regular basis? Perhaps monthly? Quarterly? Every six months? Any thoughts? - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 22:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

			::My bet, because topics don't come up on a regular basis, to archive about every two months. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
			==Welcoming new users==
			When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
			:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Administration-Archive Integration */

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Red marquis: /* ATTENTION WIKICARS USERS */

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ATTENTION WIKICARS USERS

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			==Adverts==
			I just noticed we're now hosting adverts below the navigation column (or is that just my browser doing that?). Has wikicars really become that popular and seen that much traffic? lol. The cost of running this site must really cost alot.

			- [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 07:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

			==Concerns==
			I'm starting to get concerned, the site is really being let go. We haven't had a new featured user, article or review for months. We're awfully shorts on frequently contributing members (I know I'm being a hypocrite :-P) and more. I'm starting to fear that the site is beginning to die, sure Red Marquis keeps up constant contributions, but thats not truly keeping the site alove, is it? If I may note, where have all of the original (and the main mass for that fact) administrators gone? It seems they've left this all to us and picked up and ran. That may not be true, but thats what it feels like. I miss the days when I first joined, we were a tight community and there was a fair amount of activity, but sadly, that is no more. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

			:I guess it's up to us to keep the torch aflame. Even Wikicar's parent company Internet Brands seems to have bailed out. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 03:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

			::I'll do what I can to keep the contributions up - as long as no one object to my own narrative style that I've been doing. Once I do an entry, anyone is free to add to it or tailor it to whatever style they want (within reason), and I still have several that I've done lately that are in need of pics. In fact, I think it'd be great if we could have a page devoted strictly to pics (that fit perfectly in the infobox) that anyone can just copy and paste at their discretion. I may not be as active as I once was... but like bad breath, I'll always be around! [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 11:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

			==Main Page Error==
			To me, it seems that when Luvwikis removed the birthday announcement from the main page, he removed some piece of formatting/coding. Now the main page looks off. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 17:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

			:I can no longer see the Navigation sidebar on the Main Page. Works fine in all other pages though. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

			==Image Renaming==
			We really need to come up with a template and category of some sort for the purpose of re-naming images and pages.

			Take this image for example: [[Image:Nice1.jpg\|left\|100px]]

			If you look at the image, the name is dreadful. Nice1 does no justice in describing the image. Images like this need to be taken care of. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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			:A template? [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

			I've always done it like this: Manufacturer_Model_Year_Other_Orientation. The first three are prety self-explanatory, the Other is where you'd put other descriptors such as paint color or option package. Orientation is the position of the car in the photo. This is ainly to help remind you of what the picture isjust by looking at the name of the file. Orientation would be something like FrontSide, which means the the car is at an angle and facing towards he left. If the image were horizontally flipped, then the name would say SideFront because the front is now on the right. Profile is the side of the car, then Rear is the back, RearSide would be a rear angle with the rear to the left of the image.

			I just do it like this to make it kinda like a filing system and use he names to really describe the image.

			[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 10:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

			==Concerns==
			I'm concerned with where the site is going. We're always creating new articles, but never taking the time to fill the articles with information. This, to me, is a major concern. Say, a year from now, where will we be? At this rate, we'll have very few articles properly filled out. We really need to get working on existing articles rather than new ones. I'm not opposed to the creation on new articles, but we really need to start filling out articles rather than making new ones. I have a few ideas that I'm willing to share if this idea is taken well. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 13:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

			:Agreed. However, this is a wiki site. The point is everyone gets to put in their contribution. Some prefer to contribute by creating pages for others to have a crack at.[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 01:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

			::In the spirit of this discussion, I'd like to bring up a page that's been bugging me for quite a while: [[1964 Imperial]]. What's the point of this article? It doesn't have anything on it of any value other than it's the vanity page of [[User:Flint Plywood\|Flint Plywood]]. It doesn't even specify if imperial is a standalone marque (like Continental was to Ford) or a model of the Chrysler Corporation. Whatever is written on it is mainly biased fodder and the article is, pretty much, an image farm. Not to mention that he is an article hen who removes any mmodifications or improvements anyone tries to add to this page. I suggest a speedy deletion, revamp or Flint Plywood's blocking. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 03:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

			:::Yeah, that page has gotten on my nerves too. The page is more of an image depository than anything else. Some sort of action needs to be taken in regards to this article. Of note, I have deleted a biased sentence from the article. If [[User:Flint Plywood\|Flint Plywood]] restores that line of text, I'd say that deserves a warning and/or block if necessary. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

			If I may voice another concern... I've been a major contributor to many of the older American car entries in the past, and I've noticed that many of the entries have now been filled out with these empty ready-made "templates" - which is precisely why I have NOT contributed a new entry in many months. With apologies to Red Marquis (or whoever came up with these templates), I'm sorry... I just don't like them. They're too much... too cluttered... WAY too much information (I think we all know there never has been and never will be a Chevrolet Beretta Hybrid...). I've been waiting to see if anyone has been making any entries using these ready-made templates and I've hardly noticed any. I'd really like to make some more entries in the style that I've been doing in the past with a more personal, narrative style instead of using these templates - most of which would bore readers with "NA" under most of the categories anyway.

			So I need you all to decide whether I can continue to do my entries using my personal narrative style (anyone is always free to add to them if they feel it necessary). I cannot, and will not, use these "templates". These might work fine for a current model, but they're mostly irrelevant to the cars that I've been covering. If it is decided that I can scrap the templates and use my own style that's worked well in the past, then I'll continue with more entries that still need to be done. If it is decided that I am to use the templates or nothing... well I guess, regrettably, it'll be nothing. [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 12:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

			: I'm not responsible for the design of the ready-made templates however I'm mostly responsible for creating those pages. For me, it really is all a matter of creating a streamlined and professional look but I have no problems whatsoever with you modifying them to suit the article's needs. There have been a few changes since you've been gone, Yankee. For instance, we've moved to centralize infoboxes and other templates. What this means is that individual pages will no longer have a copy of the infobox's codes, instead they will have to carry the surrogate codes listed on the model page template. This is important. What this means is that, unfortunately, all infobox categories are now standardized and cannot be altered but it can no longer be mutilated by neophytes and in case wikicars, at some point in the future, decide to overhaul its design, this makes it much much easier. I'm mentioning this because I've noticed your propensity for altering the template. Anyway, welcome back Yankee. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 09:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

			:: Fair enough RM (and thanks for the welcome back), can you give me an example of this new infobox? I've still been perusing the site as a casual reader every so often, I just haven't made any contributions other than minute corrections (to mostly my own entries), so I haven't been totally gone ;-)

			:::This is how the infobox looks like. Same old, same old:

			{{Infobox \|
			\|Image = '''place image here in 300 pixels'''
			\|Marque = '''place marque here - not manufacturer'''
			\|aka = '''Type aka here, not up there'''
			\|Production = '''produced from when to when+total units made (optional)'''
			\|Class = '''denote market class'''
			\|Body Style = '''how many doors+how many seats+what type of body'''
			\|Length = '''length - type here'''
			\|Width = '''Width - type here'''
			\|Height = '''Height - type here'''
			\|Wheelbase = '''wheelbase - type here'''
			\|Weight = '''Weight - you get the point'''
			\|Transmission = '''transmission + drive'''
			\|Engine = '''engine'''
			\|Power = N/A hp @ N/A rpm<br>N/A lb-ft of [[torque]] @ N/A rpm
			\|Similar = '''similar (competition)'''
			\|Designer = '''Designer (lead designer if it was a team effort)'''
			}}
			{{-}}
			...And this is how the codes will now look like on the individual pages:

			'''<nowiki>
			{{Infobox \|
			\|Image = '''place image here in 300 pixels'''
			\|Marque = '''place marque here - not manufacturer'''
			\|aka = '''Type aka here, not up there'''
			\|Production = '''produced from when to when+total units made (optional)'''
			\|Class = '''denote market class'''
			\|Body Style = '''how many doors+how many seats+what type of body'''
			\|Length = '''length - type here'''
			\|Width = '''Width - type here'''
			\|Height = '''Height - type here'''
			\|Wheelbase = '''wheelbase - type here'''
			\|Weight = '''Weight - you get the point'''
			\|Transmission = '''transmission + drive'''
			\|Engine = '''engine'''
			\|Power = N/A hp @ N/A rpm<br>N/A lb-ft of [[torque]] @ N/A rpm
			\|Similar = '''similar (competition)'''
			\|Designer = '''Designer (lead designer if it was a team effort)'''
			}}
			</nowiki>'''

			[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

			==Administration-Archive Integration==
			I'm recently creating a master template for administrative introduction boxes (like the one in our List of Administrators page and Nominations for adminship page) and one major issue that arose is the question of whether we integrate the Archive template into the master template as well. This begs the larger question of whether archives are part of the administrative sphere of Wikicars or not because I need to know if I am to integrate them or create a separate Master for the Archives template. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 01:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

			::Anyone? I need to know If I should do it. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 03:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: discussion archived

2007-10-01T06:26:00Z

discussion archived

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	[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)		[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

			==ATTENTION WIKICARS USERS==

			'''P.S. Does anyone here know how we could implement an infobox system like Wikipedia's where we'd make use of a master template and each page will simply have a set of codes with each field written down for a contributor to fill up so that whenever we decide to revamp our image we could simply change the master template/s w/o affecting the page's individual information? I really don't think any of us would like to have to waste our time manually replacing the templates on every single one of thousands of pages made and thousands more yet to come.'''

			:I have recently discovered how to '''format our infobox''' in similar fashion to Wikipedia's '''Master Template System''' whereby a we will no longer have to replicate the infobox again and again for each individual page. What will happen instead is that from this point on there will be a set of codes similar to the ones below that will act as a "surrogate" and where you will be filling out the basic information. It will replicate the "master template" on thepage but with the individual information you've written filled out on it. What this allows for is that if and when we finally decide to change the design/update the infobox we will no longer have to manually alter each infobox from page to page.

			<nowiki>
			{{Infobox \| </nowiki> <br><nowiki>
			\|Image = place image here in 300 pixels</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Marque = place marque here - not manufacturer</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|aka = Type aka here, not up there</nowiki><br>
			\|Production = produced from when to when+total units made (optional)</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Class = denote market class</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Body Style = how many doors+how many seats+what type of body</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Length = length - type here</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Width = Width - type here</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Height = Height - type here</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Wheelbase = wheelbase - type here</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Weight = Weight - you get the point</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Transmission = transmission + drive</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Engine = engine</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Power = N/A hp @ N/A rpm<br>N/A lb-ft of [[torque]] @ N/A rpm</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Similar = similar (competition)</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			\|Designer = Designer (lead designer if it was a team effort)</nowiki><br><nowiki>
			}}
			</nowiki>
			{{-}}
			[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 08:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Just wanted to say */

2007-09-09T03:51:30Z

Just wanted to say

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	::Sure! I'd be happy to. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)		::Sure! I'd be happy to. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

			==NOTICE TO ALL BUREAUCRATS AND SYSOPS==
			I need to give [[User:Pepperpop11\|Pepperpop11]] both blocking and protecting rights. He has signed up for my '''Spam Police''' program and won't be able to function in RC patrols if he doesn't have these powers. I'm also still waiting for my Bureaucrat promotion. We cannot maintain this site properly if '''ALL''' of our Bureaucrats and most of our sysops are absent for weeks and months on end. I'm not.

			[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

			:: Considering '''"Sustained Contribution"''' and '''"Varied Participation"''' (someone who helps with site building and maintenance projects; '''someone who fights vandalism'''; who participates in areas other than their own projects) are two of the main qualification required of sysops and bureaucrats, '''I believe ALL of you should be stripped of your powers'''. This website has seen absolutely no activity from most of you for months. Doesn't anyone even care about Wikicars anymore? This past few weeks, I have been nothing but frustrated at the general apathy and neglect every single one of you have displayed - if at all any of you even visits the site. I've been asking for emergency bureaucrat powers so that I and others volunteering can help better protect us from spam and vandals. I have been patient but as of this moment that patience has since run out. '''GET UP OUT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND HELP - OR GIVE THE ONES WHO WANT TO THE POWER TO!!!'''

			[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 02:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			Ouch! Dude, thats harsh! I am absolutely sorry about my absence, but, I've no doubt this may seem like an insult, I have a life elsewhere. Over the summer I got caught up in the forums over at Neoseeker. I got so wrapped up in it that I forgot my responsiblities elsewhere, and for that I am sorry. But I find the fact that you seem to expect us to be here '''all''' of the time, a little extreme. The simple fact is this: People have other things going on in their lives. And you should respect that. I understand your anger, trust me, I know what it's like to be in your position, but you've gone overboard. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			: Again, as I've mentioned in your talk page, I'm sorry for blowing up. Not just at you but to all the admins here at wikicars. It's just been exasperating to be met with silence at my repeated appeals. I acknowledge that it was not very sysop-like behavior, that I am in the wrong and I apologize. I will be more moderate in tone the next time. Mea maxima culpa.

			[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Separating Pages */

2007-09-03T03:27:00Z

Separating Pages

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	Then closed it is. -[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 00:59 22 August 2007 (UTC)		Then closed it is. -[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 00:59 22 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Just wanted to say==
			Thanks to all who have added pics to the infoboxes in my contributions, especially Red Marquis. It's apparently something I'm not very good at, I gave up trying a while back lol. I've got alot of contributions that still need pics so if anyone can, please - keep them coming! :-) [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 20:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

			::Sure! I'd be happy to. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Gas Mileage */ Separating Pages discussion archived

2007-09-03T03:21:44Z

Gas Mileage: Separating Pages discussion archived

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	:: I'm closing section of the voting. I think it's pretty unanimous that '''Black/Left''' wins. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)		:: I'm closing section of the voting. I think it's pretty unanimous that '''Black/Left''' wins. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Separating Pages==
			I was wondering if it'd be alright to separate some pages into groups of pages due to generations of a particular vehicle. Yankee has done this before with the Camaro/Firebird articles, and although I was originally opposed to the idea I realise that this needs to be done for other pages due to lack of space and to aid organization. [[User:Argen\|Argen]] 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

			:: Let's put it to a vote [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 00:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

			<center>
			'''Voting Chart'''
			</center>



			{\| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
			!Choice
			!# of votes
			\|-
			\|For
			\| 3 - '''CLOSED'''
			\|}



			Hello? Anybody want to vote? I desperately need responses on this.
			[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 00:00, 04 August 2007 (UTC)

			:: Why don't you profile this higher (where people would notice it) and create a voting table or somesuch. I know, wikicars can be sometimes frustrating. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 04:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

			:: I vote yes on it. Ive started to do something similar with the BMW 6 and 5 series. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 04:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

			Table up now, 2 votes for yes.
			[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 18:27, 06 August 2007 (UTC)

			::I don't think anyone else really wants to vote anymore. It's pretty unanimous then what you should do Argen. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 08:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

			:For what it's worth, I'm also throwing in my vote to say you should go ahead and do it, Argen. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 21:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

			I'm thinking of still having a main page (i.e. BMW 3-Series) that contains a short summary of each generation and links to more complete pages for the individual years. -[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 17:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

			:That's exactly what I've with the BMW 5 and 6-Series. Let's just go ahead and get this show going. No one wants to vote anymore. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 04:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

			Then closed it is. -[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 00:59 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Red marquis: /* Our 4000th Article */ "Pricing", "Gas Mileage" and "Resale Value" template voting sections archived.

2007-08-18T07:47:43Z

Our 4000th Article: "Pricing", "Gas Mileage" and "Resale Value" template voting sections archived.

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	* Fixed it. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 08:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)		* Fixed it. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 08:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
	*Isn't there anyone who wants to take this last one? Can't just all be me. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 05:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)		*Isn't there anyone who wants to take this last one? Can't just all be me. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 05:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Pricing==
			* '''Voting for the Pricing box is now closed'''

			<center>
			'''Voting Chart'''
			</center>



			{\| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
			!Picture
			!# of votes
			\|-
			\|Light Olive-Sand White
			\| 2 - Winner
			\|}

			====Light Olive-Sand White====
			{\| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="float:center; margin:0 0em 1em; width:collapse; background:#fff; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:85%; line-height:2.5; " summary="Infobox Automobile"
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#000000; background:#cccccc; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|'''MODEL Trims'''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Trim1
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Trim2
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Trim3
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Trim4
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#fff; background:#811b33; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|''MSRP''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $Price1
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $Price2
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $Price3
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $Price4
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#fff; background:#811b33; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|''Invoice''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $Price1
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $Price2
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $Price3
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $Price4
			\|}

			: I'm closing section of the voting. It's pretty clear no one wants to vote anymore. '''Light Olive-Sand White Wins'''. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 04:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Resale Values==
			* '''Voting for the Resale Values box is now closed'''

			<center>
			'''Voting Chart'''
			</center>



			{\| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
			!Picture
			!# of votes
			\|-
			\|Jarama Beige/Light Olive-Sand White
			\| 2 - Winner
			\|}

			====Jarama Beige/Light Olive-Sand White====
			{\| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="float:center; margin:0 0em 1em; width:collapse; background:#fff; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:85%; line-height:2.5; " summary="Infobox Automobile"
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#000000; background:#9e9784; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|'''<MODEL> Year'''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Year X
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Year X-2
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Year X-3
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Year X-4
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#000000; background:#9e9784; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|'''Resale Value'''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| $
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| $
			\|}

			: I'm closing section of the voting. I think it's pretty unanimous that '''Jarama Beige''' wins. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 07:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

			==Gas Mileage==
			* '''Voting for the Gas Mileage box is now closed'''

			<center>
			'''Voting Chart'''
			</center>



			{\| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
			!Picture
			!# of votes
			\|-
			\|Black/Left
			\| 3 - Winner
			\|}

			====Black/Left====

			{\| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="float:center; margin:0 0em 1em; width:collapse; background:#fff; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:85%; line-height:2.5; " summary="Infobox Automobile"
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#000000; background:#cccccc; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|'''Trim'''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Trim1
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Trim2
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| Trim3
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;" \| Trim4
			\|- style="text-align:left; background:#f0f0f0;"
			\|- style="color:#000000; background:#cccccc; font-size:larger; font-style:bold; text-align:left;"
			! colspan=4 \|'''MPG'''
			\|-
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| c/h
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;"\| c/h
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#ddb;" \| c/h
			! style="text-align:left; font-weight:large; background:#f4f4da;"\| c/h
			\|}

			-[[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
			: I like the Black/Left. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 12:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

			:: I'm closing section of the voting. I think it's pretty unanimous that '''Black/Left''' wins. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 06:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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	When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)		When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
	:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)		:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

			==I have an idea...==
			How about we have an "engines" section, with info pages for various engines, such as the Chrysler 426 Hemi, Chevy 454, Ford 390 and such? I'd be happy to head up such a section, and I could compose one as an example and get everyone's opinion. What say you all? - [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 21:17 27 March 2007
			:I love this idea!! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 01:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			Yea, sounds like a good idea. -[[User:Mugen Power\|Mugen Power]] 01:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::Me too. I'll add it to the [[Wikicars' experts\|expert's section]], as well. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 12:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			:I have no expertise in this area, so I can't be of any help with it, but I think it's a great idea. Go for it, Yankee. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 14:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::I'm no expert either, but many auto communities are organized around engines rather than the brand names that oems slap on the "wrappers". This is a really good idea. :-) [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 15:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			:I'm in for it. Most of the car pages on wikipedia have links to pages for specific engines, and it would really help to add some of those here.
			[[User:Argen\|Argen]] 14:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::I have no expertise, but great idea! [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 22:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
			::: Go ahead. --[[Usuario:193.144.127.250\|193.144.127.250]] 03:10 29 Mar 2007 (UTC)
			Excellent! I'll give one a try and see how you all like it - probably start next week, got too much on my plate at the moment to start anything big, but I'm glad you all approve. [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 23:37 28 March 2007 (UTC)

			OK, here's a sample, on the Chevy [[454]]. Whaddya think? Too much? Too little? Just right? [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 09:25 3 April 2007 (UTC)
			:Wow, that's a very comprehensive review. I only have a few suggestions: maybe change the title to something like "454 engine" or "454 V-8" that allows users at a glance to understand what the page is about. Also, perhaps breaking the history of the engine into yearly divisions, hp changes, etc. in some way similar to the car model pages. A modified infobox would also be really helpful including things at a glance like HP, weight, torque, cars that use it, years of production, etc. Finally, just some slick pictures! Great job Yankee, it'll be exciting to see this develop! -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 15:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			::454 is too vague, a title change is in order. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I agree with both statements above; the name could be a little more specific, and I think Matt's suggestions are great. People are, by nature, fickle and demanding, so it would help to spice up the page a bit either with some graphics or an infobox - something to break up all the text. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 16:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			:::Not an expert on [[engine]]s, so this was definitely a very informative page for me! But I agree with the suggestions made above. We definitely need to break up the data somehow, whether is be by a chronological breakdown, a feature breakdown ([[HP]], [[Torque]], etc.) or just a plethora of "slick pix." Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 17:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

			Good suggestions all - this was something I threw together rather quickly to get a feel of how it would be received. This will be a work in progress - I'm still trying to do at least 2-3 car writeups a week, so this will be a bit of a "side project" for now. Perhaps if Red Marquis could make a modified infobox that could be used, or some kind of table that could be used for data - I'm open to suggestions. Thanks again all :-) [[User:Yankee\|Yankee]] 18:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)



			==I also have an idea...==
			First of all, I'd like to say hi, I love the concept and potential of this site and was looking into starting something similar until I found this. I know this kind of goes beyond the bounds of what a wiki is, but what about a "how-to" section for common maintenance tasks required on all vehicles. For example, an article on oil changes that includes information on why its important to change/check your oil, regular vs. synthetic, and general how-to on changing oil. Other articles that quickly come to mind are sections for tire maintenance (wear, checking pressure), checking/topping-off/changing radiator fluid, etc. I don't know if that's something you guys would be interested in doing on a wiki site but I think it would be nice to have this information available to those who might find it useful. [[User:GearHead\|GearHead]] 18:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			:Interesting idea. I don't know whether I am for or against it. It would be good to supply everyday information and instructions ike that, What do the rest of you guys think? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I'm for it, [[User:GearHead\|GearHead]], as long as we could relate it back to the end user in an applicable manner. We started a [[Car Buying Tips]] section, with articles like:
			:::* [[Negotiate for a lower car price]]
			:::* [[Buy a car on the internet]]
			:::* [[Car Loan Guide]]

			::I'd love to see more "how-to"/maintenance type articles, someday. There's so much more we could do with a section like that. We could even have tips by make and model at some point! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 20:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			::I think it's a great idea, as there are always people looking for that kind of information on the internet. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 20:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

			:::I like it too! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 00:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
			:This is a great idea, but I think that a lot of thought and discussion should go into it before it actually gets put into practice. "How to's" for automobiles tend to be very specific to each model for one, so it will be important to start with the most basic maintenance pages and then go from there. In addition, a concern I'd have is that I've seen far too many times, on lots of websites and mainly forums, flame wars start because people's ideas of "how to" differ so greatly. How often to change your oil; what kind of oil to use; personal experience vs. dealership recommendation; how to break in new brake pads; etc. all tend to be really "debatable" topics. Therefore, I just think we need to decide how we are going to go about this and regulate different opinions so the pages are able to offer consistent information. -[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
			::Those are all great points. Is there anything in the realm of general "How-To"s that is pretty safe to tackle and free of debate? Changing a tire, perhaps, or how to jump-start a car? I think if we start small with something along those lines, we can start to expand from there. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 19:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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	::::Mugen Power has shown excellence. He has reported vandals that have snuck past me under my RC patrols (I can't belive I missed those dirtbags!). He has also shown massive effort. So I say in my highest regard that he is deserving of joining our ranks. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)		::::Mugen Power has shown excellence. He has reported vandals that have snuck past me under my RC patrols (I can't belive I missed those dirtbags!). He has also shown massive effort. So I say in my highest regard that he is deserving of joining our ranks. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 15:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

			==Home Page==
			How about if we shrink the hybrid cars spotlight on the home page by removing the driving tips section; this would move the contributor section above the fold. Thoughts? Someone want to mock it up to see what it looks like? (Maybe keep the prius photo which is interesting?) [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 13:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
			:I think this is a good idea, because, at least on the resolution I'm running on my monitor right now (as well as the computer I have at home), when I first load the page, all I see is the Hybrid cars spotlight, which has remained static for as long as I can remember. If we can move some of the rotating content further up the page, I think it would help retain more interest in people who might casually check back to see if anything has changed. - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 22:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
			::The hybrid cars spotlight does take up a lot of space and isn't as dynamic as some of the sections below it. Removing the driving tips section is a good idea to decrease the size of the section and I'd even consider putting it below the featured user/model/review sections. This will allow the initial homepage screen you see when visiting the site to be more eye catching as it changes often. However, I do like how upon initially loading the page there is a constant blue theme. Therefore, if the other sections are moved up and the hybrid section moved down, the banner color should be changed to match the blue theme for whatever section we choose to replace the hybrid one. --[[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 01:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
			:::I agree, Matt. I'm going to change the homepage so that the featured articles show up on top and the portal underneath of that. I'm also cutting out the hybrid driving tips section. I think we can even higlight other portals in this section. We've made tremendous progress with our exotics and I'd love to highlight some of those cars and articles in that portal section. I think the portals can be one of those dymanic sections, too. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 18:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

			We should trim down the text for "Garage Talk" on the Home Page. At least in my computer it deforms the section for "Search By Make"

			[[User:Red_marquis\|Red_marquis]] 11:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

			:The new main page changes are looking good. Bringing the more commonly used features of wikicars to catch the user's eyes when they check the page is great. - [[User:MQuan\|MQuan]] 01:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

			::Looks great!! [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 03:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
			==Tagline==
			Has anyone ever considered a tagline for the site? Here's a link to the would be page [[MediaWiki:Tagline]]. A tagline is a line of text located in the upper left hand corner of the box. One example: ''Wikicars, a place to share your automotive knowledge''. To warn you, I will be testing this idea, so don't be alarmed to find text where you wouldn't normally find text. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] 15:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)



			==Trying something new==
			<font color="red">I think '''Garage Talk''' would be more functional if it was broken down by segments, e.g. Bulletin boards, To-do lists, collaborations, etc. </font> I started to create more of a bulletin board-type template '''[[Garage Talk/testing\|here]]'''. Feel free to add/delete to it as it is still a work in progress. Thanks! -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 22:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

			I like this new idea. it might take some getting used to but i like it.

			[[User:Red_marquis\|Red_marquis]] 10:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
			:I like it too....but strongly feel there should be a single portal page...we can break segments off, but keep links to subsegments on the portal page for easy navigation. [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 04:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
			==Archival==
			Hey, I was thinking, this page is getting aweful lengthy. How about we archive some of the past or finished conversations. Once in archival, though, we should make a rule of not editing archived content. What do you guys think? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 20:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
			:Looks nice!

			:fine with me. [[User:Red marquis\|Red marquis]] 22:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

			::me too. We could keep the featured _____ links at the top. [[User:LuvWikis\|LuvWikis]] 03:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

			:How would it be if we decided to archive things on a regular basis? Perhaps monthly? Quarterly? Every six months? Any thoughts? - [[User:Rfujitani\|Pastrami on Ry]] 22:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

			::My bet, because topics don't come up on a regular basis, to archive about every two months. [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
			==Welcoming new users==
			When welcoming new users, we should start using this: [[Template:Welcome]]. To post this onto talk pages, use <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki>. Thoughts? [[User:0-172\|Enzo Worshipper]] <sup>([[User talk:0-172\|Talk to me]] + [[Special:Contributions/0-172\|Contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
			:Like it a lot! Should we also include [[User:red_marquis\|Red's]] infobox templates? I've been doing so, but if we can refer them to the template or incorporate it into this one, that might be easier. -[[User:PNiddy\|Nidhi]] 21:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)